tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post8027449415952931847..comments2024-01-16T05:48:33.523-05:00Comments on Errata Security: The disingenuous question (FBIvApple)David Maynorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09921229607193067441noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-81861534301910214942016-02-24T18:19:39.740-05:002016-02-24T18:19:39.740-05:00I disagree with Mr Graham's post. To summarize...I disagree with Mr Graham's post. To summarize, a liberal is a conservative who has spent a night in the cells. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. <br /><br />The longer version is found at this link. https://lawrenceserewicz.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/neither-apple-nor-mr-graham-are-spartans-a-response-to-mr-graham/Lawrence Serewiczhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10951046729263663640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-66699755311321075812016-02-22T14:58:15.658-05:002016-02-22T14:58:15.658-05:00You aren't addressing the case where someone i...You aren't addressing the case where someone is just as sure *you're* a criminal, absent evidence, in which case you would be the one searched and beaten without warrant. I don't want that for you, but maybe you like your odds in that tradeoff.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12352716819226099712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-24191599853246685192016-02-22T10:30:10.094-05:002016-02-22T10:30:10.094-05:00That's... not quite true, or at least not the ...That's... not quite true, or at least not the right comparison, Mr. Graham.<br /><br />While often-reported more generally, the statistics the Institute for Justice used were comparing just burglary at 3.5 billion USD in 2014 (defined as entering a structure unlawfully to steal an item, in a way that explicitly excludes automobiles) to that of federal civil asset forfeitures going through the Department of Justice's Asset Forfeiture Program and Treasury Department's equivalent. However, the category of larceny-theft was estimated to reach 5.5 billion USD in 2014, 1.64 billion USD from automobile thefts or thefts of automobile accessories, while the DoJ numbers tend to revolve more around big-ticket matters like the Toyota or financial trading punishments. Even if you think these aren't good law -- the Toyota settlement in particular rankles me even by the terrible standards of class action lawsuits -- they're not quite the same category.<br /><br />((The Institute for Justice numbers /probably/ missed some purely-state forfeitures, too, since they were mostly looking at the equitable sharing program. The equitable sharing stuff is probably where most of it goes these days, though.))<br /><br />Agreed on the meta-level concerns, though. The 4th Amendment's protections against unreasonable searches are little more than a figleaf at this point, and its remedies helpful to balm very few types of serious harm abuse could apply. Were I a crime victim, I'd be quite happy for the police to skip the whole warrant, search, and trial and just start beating the criminal's head in... but that's not the only chain of events, not just in which side I fall on, but in whether the police have the correct aims.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581481195058896802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-63857444544025854512016-02-22T10:21:47.188-05:002016-02-22T10:21:47.188-05:00@orinkerr actually asked two questions back to bac...@orinkerr actually asked two questions back to back:<br /><br />1) Who should win, FBI or Apple<br />2) The hypothetical victim question<br /><br />I voted defore he pulled down the second poll and it was 70% in favor of Apple and 80% in favor of "if I was a victim, I'd want to contents of the phone." I.e. people want two incompatible things. Nonetheless he was being academic, not thinking and it backfired. He pulled the poll and apologized for a bad experiment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-85798200302286615012016-02-22T02:23:19.612-05:002016-02-22T02:23:19.612-05:00I substantiate my last sentence. We have the highe...I substantiate my last sentence. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, and the police steal more from 'civil asset forfeiture' than burglars do. If you've got $10,000 in cash in your car, chances are higher the police will take it from you (permanently) than burglars.Robert Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09879238874208877740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-36760892978652447422016-02-22T01:51:42.350-05:002016-02-22T01:51:42.350-05:00Is "warrant upon probable cause" suffici...Is "warrant upon probable cause" sufficient protection - that is the question to debate and answer...<br /><br />Nice post!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15796138737037782233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37798047.post-10185664216199978182016-02-22T00:54:33.488-05:002016-02-22T00:54:33.488-05:00The last sentence provides a dangerous, unsubstant...The last sentence provides a dangerous, unsubstantiated claim. I would strongly advise placing it earlier in your article and providing adequate supporting arguments, or else retracting it.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03046340536264111321noreply@blogger.com